You know those people you don’t like … do you really know what it’s like to be them?
Do you see yourself as alone in the world, or part of a greater whole?
Did you know the current political climate – which has you either upset or checked out – can be liberating for you?
I was so excited for this interview with Charles Eisenstein.
After spending the last few days really diving into his work in preparation to talk with him, I woke up at 5am this morning my heart and mind just aflame with inspiration.
I love what Charles is speaking into the world through his books, his articles, his live presentations. Apparently so does Oprah Winfrey, who recently released her own podcast interview with Charles.
Charles’ core message – as I experience it – is the acknowledgment of what the great Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh calls our “interbeing” … the awareness and practice of our connectedness to all things, and to each other … what I love in particular about Charles’ work, is he brings that beautiful spiritual notion down to earth in ways us humans can actually work with in our everyday lives and relationships. Charles is a brilliant mind connected to a deeply inspired heart, all held inside the sturdy bones of a grounded and humble man. He graduated from Yale University with degrees in mathematics and philosophy, and is the author of 5 books, including The Ascent of Humanity and The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know is Possible.
I decided during our conversation to make this part 1 of our exploration together – and he agreed – because there is so much in his deep ocean of wisdom I’m eager to explore, and even 60 minutes in I felt like I was still just doggy paddling on the surface. I truly believe this man offers some of the most crucial insights to assist humanity through the challenging transition we’re now clearly going through, and so I encourage you strongly to stay tuned all the way through to Charles’ 5 Key Takeaway’s at the end of this episode of Men, This Way …
Let’s dive …
6:02 ~ Charles’ early experiences
12:55 ~ Interbeing, interconnectivity, and empathy
17:39 ~ An insightful approach to delay judging people
23:00 ~ The shift from patriarchal systems
27:22 ~ How “masculine” goals can leave us unfulfilled
32:16 ~ “What is like to be you?”
38:20 ~ The story we hold about somebody is an invitation for them to play out that story
40:29 ~ The universal idea of the adversary
45:57 ~ Three “wrong” responses to challenges in intimate relationships
48:51 ~ Hate is a bodyguard for grief
53:59 ~ Looking for what it’s like to be you
57:48 ~ “To create real change in the world we may need to sacrifice being right”
1:02:18 ~ What do I serve?
1:04:28 ~ “5 KEY TAKEWAYS” FINALE
1:04:53 ~ KEY INSIGHT: “If I were in the totality of anyone’s circumstances, I could very well be doing what they’re doing. I’m no better than any other person”
1:05:59 ~ KEY MENTOR TO LEARN FROM: Orland Bishop (Author, Youth Mentor)
1:06:49 ~ KEY RESOURCE (most impactful, inspiring book, movie, podcast): Hayao and Gorō Miyazaki films (namely “Ronja, the Robber’s Daughter”)
1:08:30 ~ KEY INVESTMENT (the best thing you spent money on, under $10,000): Taking his 14-year-old son on a speaking trip
1:09:45 ~ KEY PRACTICE (7-day challenge to the men listening): Taking a “news fast”