There Are No Evil Atoms w/ Leigh McCloskey (040)

November 18, 2019

MTW GUEST Leigh McCloskey

Have you considered whether the daily questions you live in are sourced in fear? Or in wonder?

Do you regularly spend time with what truly matters to you?

Where do you go when you can’t run away (from your challenges) anymore?

This is one of my favorite conversations I’ve ever had with another human being.

Because I am a philosopher at heart, and Leigh McCloskey is one of the most intriguing, fascinating, inspired and inspiring minds alive on the planet today.

While Leigh was a famous TV actor back in the day, a regular on TV shows like General Hospital and Dallas, and countless other daytime soaps and movies and shows like Star Trek and BattleStar Galactica, I’ve only ever personally known him as one of the most fascinating minds alive today, for in addition to being a strongly grounded human being, he is also a visionary artist and plugged-in-to-the-mystical-realms philosopher.

I first met Leigh in person at his home in Malibu.

I had no idea what I was in for when a friend invited me to a small movie screening one evening Leigh and his wife, Carla, were hosting.

From the outside, his home, just a short walk from the wild Pacific Ocean, looked more or less like any modest Malibu home, by which I mean it wasn’t some grotesque mega-mansion snubbing its nose at the land and everyone around it, but rather a beautiful and expansive 2-story country home, sweetly nestled into the trees and hills surrounding it, the kinda place you’d expect to be welcomed with a glass of iced-lemonade and stories on the porch before retiring to a guest bedroom bigger than your living room.

But what I stepped into was far beyond anything I’d ever imagined before.

After the 9/11 tragedy in 2001, Leigh went to work on turning his entire 2nd floor into an artwork of epic, visionary proportions, the likes of which I’ve only seen rivaled in places like Salvador Dali’s fantastic home in Spain and artist Alex Grey’s mind-bending Chapel of Sacred Mirrors in New York City.

Anyway, I can’t even begin to describe Leigh’s home, and I want to get into this conversation, which, I caution you, you will have to listen deeply, and you may have to listen a few times, because interspersed throughout what may seem like an intensely philosophical conversation, Leigh says some of the most beautiful and profound things you’ll ever hear: like, “there are no evil atoms,” and, “I have to tell my wife and my daughters, it is their love that has healed me,” … and “We are coming out of the age of the father – I think therefore I am – and entering the age of the mother (“i love therefore I am”)”

So, grab your lemonade and a seat on the porch – I saved a rocking chair for you – and listen well, all the way through to Leigh’s 5 Key Takeaway’s at the end of this episode of Men, This Way …

Alright …

Let’s dive …


5:33 ~ The recent Malibu fire
7:32 ~ “There are no evil atoms”
11:02 ~ Living well and navigating life
16:07 ~ Coming out of the age of the father, and into the age of the mother
23:20 ~ The modern disconnect between success and relationships
30:12 ~ The questions of life
38:33 ~ Defining our values without reference to others
41:17 ~ Returning home and intimacy
45:03 ~ The role of the Devil in our lives
51:50 ~ The biggest challenge facing men in the world today


56:22 ~ KEY INSIGHT: Trust yourself.
57:17 ~ KEY MENTOR TO LEARN FROM: W. Brugh Joy (Author and Doctor), Ralph Waldo Emerson (Philosopher and Poet), William Blake (Poet and Painter)
59:22 ~ KEY RESOURCE (most impactful, inspiring book, movie, podcast): BlacKKKlansman (Movie), Dave Wexler (Director), Flying Lotus (Musician), as well as “Memories, Dreams, and Reflections” by Carl Jung (Book)
1:01:01 ~ KEY INVESTMENT (the best thing you spent money on, under $10,000): Garden hoses, and his roof’s sprinklers
1:01:47 ~ KEY PRACTICE (7-day challenge to the men listening): Think custodially


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